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  1. Lookin’ for some Turtle input!
    I am the clinger. My husband of 3 years and I have had a rough year and a half. There have been issues with boundaries, and issues with the need for him (the avoider) to have space. I have tried to respect both of these, and have been in counseling for 8 months to specifically address things. He also has ZERO tolerance for anyone to tell him he has a part in the situation (ie-he can’t take any blame no matter what).

    So, he left, in anger, 10 days ago. He had gotten an apartment 4 months ago, and used that to hide out in most days for his down time. But, when he got mad, he packed up and said he was done, and left. I haven’t heard a peep since. Out of respect for him, and knowing he needs space, I haven’t attempted to contact him.

    Question is…what now? He needs me to respect that he doesn’t want contact (if he says he is done, and I attempt to contact him, to him it would seem that I’m NOT LISTENING again!). But, I don’t want silence to go on too long. How do I open that door? Also, if I am working on the issues I have some ability to control in the relationship, but he is literally not around in any way, shape or form, how would he know?

    And, if he does need more space, how long is reasonable? I am concerned that he would move on with someone new if I left him hanging. But, if I tried to contact him, it would appear that I’m ignoring what he said, and he’d be ticked about that.

    Which side of the blade do I cut with??
    Mom of 7

    • Dear Mom of Seven, Welcome to the world of learning about Clingers and Avoiders.  I love this stuff cuz it seems so simple, once you have the principles.  And most of us are involved in learning the Principles (mebbe 2% of the effort) and the skills (mebbe 98% of the effort), and are given people to practice skills upon.  

      The four critical articles are 1) this one on Reliable Membership, 2) the one on Testicle Principle, 3) the skill sheet of Timeouts and the 4) When to Fold ‘Em.  

      A couple of comments:  I like your use of ZERO to be emphatic, however I don’t happen to believe you.  The whole issue of Blame is one of  both people learning Boundaries and self-responsibility (see the stuff on Master/Slave, et.al.).  My partner will accept responsibility for her part directly as I learn to a) take full responsibility for my part, b) stop taking responsibility for her part, and c) maintain good dialogue about which is which.  He is probably taking responsibility for all sorts of parts but is refusing to “be blamed,” and you are probably unaware of how you come across as blaming.   Well that’s just to be learned about.   Avoiders often have trouble with this cuz they’ve been defending themselves for so long in their lives.  Everything you say can come across as an attack.  Just means you have to get really good at communication and listening.  

      I think your goal is to figure out how you let this go so long (apartment, etc.) without addressing it before and to start the journey in learning how to fix it and why it took so long.  He probably needs to learn to trust that you will respect his need for space in daily life, let alone in this extreme situation. Taking a many day timeout seems pretty extreme. Doesn’t sound like a timeout really.  Sounds more like an emergency “get her attention two-by-four to the face.”  

      Yup, how is he going to learn you’re changing if he doesn’t see you?  That’s a problem.  But the solution is that a) Clingers are really obvious about their problem in seconds of meeting them and b) if they have learned to stop that stuff, their partner can pick it up very quickly.  Remember, he’s probably been trying to get your attention for years.   And has gotten to believe you will not change.  All you have to do is “prove” that he is wrong.  (The whole issue of hope.)  

      And I don’t recommend zero contact.  I recommend just slightly less contact than he wants.  Good reading.  

  2. Hi Al, I am more of an avoider while my ex bf who is 2 years younger than me at 24 is more of a clinger. I tends to be emotional and have mood swings and when I’m emotional, i avoids him more. After 2.5years together, he left me cited that he cannot stand my mood swings and me being too strong in the relationship, he left me suddenly and within a week he got together with a clinger girl who is 19 years old. The girl was just introduced to him by his friend through phone 1 day after he told me he needs a break from our relationship and they got together less than a week he told me he needs a break.

    We had broke up for about 3 months now and other than the first 3 weeks of crying and calling him etc, I had not contacted him unless it is about asking him to return me money and stuff. If I want to have another chance with him, what should I do now? Thanks!

  3. Ok… so realizing I’m the Clinger and this concept is all new… how does one in a long distance realtionship provide space without it being interpreted wrong… I’ve tried to give space but then it seems he becomes offended. Although i am the Clinger i can’t seem to communicate effectively to him … i would like him to know i am sorry as i hurt his feelings unintentionally (in an attempt to make things better). I’m so lost…

    • Ok… so realizing I’m the Clinger and this concept is all new…

      New to you AND to your partner.  If you start using the wisdom involved, he may be quite confused.  You’ll have to be willing to gently share what “you are figuring out.” 

      how does one in a long distance realtionship provide space without it being interpreted wrong…

      Long distance relationships, I think, are very very difficult.  Building intimacy requires lots of face-to-face time.  Learning new skills also requires lots of practice and close-encounters.  Mis-interpretation is a matter of poor communication  techniques that need improving.  At the simplest level, mis-interpretation is the awareness in a sender that their message didn’t come across the way they wanted it to come across.  There are lots of reasons why this could happen.  Gotta build skills to recover from mis-communication.

       I’ve tried to give space but then it seems he becomes offended.

      One clue is that your giving him space came across poorly – not the way you wanted.  Sometimes actions without words are useful.  Sometimes not.  Giving space, I think, requires telling your partner that is what you are doing.  Notice the idea of TimeOut always (always!) requires that you say what you are doing and how long.  

      Although i am the Clinger i can’t seem to communicate effectively to him …

      In my experience clingers want to communicate, but are lousy at it.  Avoiders don’t want to communicate so much, and are lousy at it when they do.  So improving communication skills is almost always necessary.

       i would like him to know i am sorry as i hurt his feelings unintentionally (in an attempt to make things better).

      Two thoughts.  Of course you want him to know you are sorry.  You did something you wish you hadn’t, and you were trying to  help.  Check out Making Amends for this situation.  Secondly, you did not hurt his feelings.  Your attempt was poorly delivered.  Learn Boundaries.

      I’m so lost…

      Yup.  That’s where everyone is right before they look around and learn something new. 

      • Thanks for such a quick and great response.

        Before i got your response the Clinger in me panicked … i told him I’m sorry for hurting his feelings and i understood he needed space; I’d be here when he was ready. Within a short time he responded he wasn’t needing space and was sorry because he didn’t mean to come across that way… how odd because i had said the same thing but via questions and got no where… so point learned…

        i am amazed at how differently we each interpret the same language … its something i hope to get better at, knowing the process is never ending:-)

        • Good for you.  Oh. and you may want to notice your “amazement.”  The world seems to bring up people with the fantasy that most people agree on everything.  It’s bull-whaa.  The more normal situation is that everyone see everything (heck, each word) differently.   I think it is best to get used to assuming disagreement rather than expecting agreement.  Particularly as you try to become closer – more intimate – with someone.  Good luck. 

  4. Hi Al,

    I have been in a relationship for a year with a clinger. We recently split and he has been in constant contact and saying he wants to work it out. He is very insecure and many of our arguments came form me feeling overwhelmed and pursued. We lived together for six months and during that time he would follow me from room to room to continue arguing. It felt so abusive and my lizard became on red alert almost constantly which made me ferocious. He told me I should learn to stop shouting and I said he should respect my boundaries.

    The other problem I have is that he has a very close relationship with his needy single ex with whom he lived with for seven years. It seems he never really cut ties with her and now sees her as a sister and considers her his best friend( they see each other weekly and are constantly in txt and he does jobs for her, she hasn't had another boyfriend in the five years since they split). I have been incredibly uncomfortable with the closeness of their relationship. She is a caregiver and neither seem to have any boundaries. He didn't modify his contact when we were together.

    They were living together when we first met as friends as he was doing up her house. She was very needy and wanted him around to make her feel secure. He lept into role of caregiver and prides himself on being a good and helpful friend to ALL his friends. He then moved in with me. We argued. He moved out and has moved in with her temporarily whilst he makes plans to get his place sorted to move into. He said he could never give her up because she is a source of security. He admits his frailty.

    The thing is he is saying he want a relationship with me and is going to get therapy but I can't get past this relationship they have. I want him to stand on his own two feet and live alone and grow up but I know she has been and will continue to be his emotional crutch……..I don't trust him emotionally and I have caught him out having contact with her when he says he hasn't…….I am going to ask for no contact whilst he gets himself sorted. It's too painful to me to have contact whilst I know he is living there.

    The thing is I will never know if he is turning to her for security and to fill my gap whilst we are apart…….she is a huge source of threat and anxiety to me and it undermines my trust and faith in my relationship with him. He says I have to get over my jealousy and that they have been friends for 15 yrs and that's not going to change……I do love him and would love it to work but I don't know what is right to do or think in this situation. I find it so utterly painful……she will always be a source for him and she will always be a threat to me..at least in part until she gets another boyfreind ( something he always advises her about if one comes on the scene..in his words just being " protective of her"….wonder why she hasn't had one I. The last five years) also their relationship was emotionally abusive.

    Help!……. Please….

    • After reading you post, at the end, I thought of “sending in the cavalry.” Sounds so painful and confusing.

      Clarity, that’s what I would move toward, if I were you. Get your Lizard relaxed, first. Aim at being relaxed no matter what he or anyone does. It is enough sometimes to just deal with your own complexity, let alone his and hers and etc. You may want to have a counselor on your personal team who can assist you at getting more clarity. I love having someone to talk my traumatic stuff out with so that in the process I get to see it more clearly.

      Sounds as if you are living on that fence line between being involved (being in love) and having quiet time. I’d increase your quiet time. Anyone who connects to a clinger, requires immediate access to quiet time in order to think clearly about dealing with their clinger friend. So they move in and out of their partner’s presence, for the benefit of all concerned.

      Other than sending in the cavalry, and you learning to calm and take in lots of quiet time, and you getting maybe a counselor for your side, I can suggest reading further around my site. The Lizard paper is a good starting place. Let me know how it goes.

  5. Got this yesterday on Apr 26, 2012. Posted with permission.

    Hi Al, I have been reading through your articles for the first time this week and listening to some mp3s (The Laura Lavigne ones). I was wondering if there are any articles about a situation I'm dealing with right now that I don't know how to correct or change. It's sort of one of those chicken or egg situations….we are stuck in a destructive loop and don't know how to stop it.
     
    I am the clinging person and he is the avoider (though this is new for him. He used to be the clinger and says I made him an avoider). I don't know which thing happened first, but here is what is happening….
     
    I blow up, overreact, get upset, etc…over something, usually something small, and want to hash it out right away, he hates conflict so he starts withdrawing and detaching himself emotionally from me, I recognize he is detaching/pulling away and I panic thinking he is going to leave or doesn't love me anymore so any little thing that appears to be withdrawing/detaching to me sets me off and I blow up, overreact, get upset, etc…over something, usually small, and want to hash it out right away, he hates conflict so he starts withdrawing and detaching himself emotionally from me, I recognize he is detaching/pulling away and I panic thinking he is going to leave or doesn't love me anymore so any little thing that appears to be withdrawing/detaching to me sets me off and I blow up….etc, etc, etc…
     
    It's a never ending loop! Even when we're calmy talking we can't figure out how to stop it since neither of us feel safe enough to not activate our lizard. I've been trying to work on caring behaviors but it is not going so well (you replied to my comment about it recently…I need to learn patience, something I am severely lacking in) in hopes of working up to caring days but I think it will be a while before we get there. I did call a 24 hour timeout yesterday that ends tonight and he mentioned that maybe that would break the loop, but I don't see what would be preventing us from getting right back into the loop if at least one of us is not ready to trust that the other person is safe.
     
    So do you have any articles that would be helpful for us to stop the destructive loop? I've read the Lizard paper, reliable membership, timeouts, caring days, testicle principle (skimmed it and plan on going back) and diversity.
    I replied. 
     
    Dear A,

     
    Oh. are you lucky!?  You have almost exactly the same repetitive problem Sandra and I had.  Love your paragraph 3 with the cut and paste!  That's what it seemed like to me.  I was the Clinger and Sandra was the Avoider.  
     
    One addition to your pattern might be that it could begin with some event in his life that scares him and then he withdraws and then you see his withdrawal and panic and get upset and chase him and then he stonewalls even harder.  Still it's all the same. 
     
    Reason I said, "You are lucky" is that the Clinger can solve this one all by their selves. And I think you are on your way toward the resolution.  
     
    I hear you want another article, but I think you are really into application of the several articles you've already read.  Here are some thoughts.
     
    True, you gotta eventually keep your Lizard's calm, but for the time being both Lizards are being scared by the need for solving the Reliable Membership issue.  Remember you can't order the Lizard around and you can't order the Reliable Membership issue to go away.  Tis all the the automatic (unconscious) parts of our brains.  Has to be resolved by wise use of your cortex and management of the environments of each Lizard. That's theory.  Now some Practical.
     
    Print my sign on chasing behaviors and put up some copies where you see them.  I had 5 copies by the time I was finished, cuz one copy didn't do the trick, nor 2, nor 3.  I had to remind myself lots and lots of times. 
     
    Second, really read that Testicle Principle paper.  It's got the secret of why YOU are the one to call TimeOuts – at least at first.  You call 'em for the sake of the relationship, to prove to him you can back off, to practice backing off on your schedule, to practice the skills of patience, to focus on catching these cycle early in the process, and finally to guide him into eventually calling TimeOuts when he "is going to" need them.
     
    You are lucky that he has switched sides and thus had experience in both being a Clinger and an Avoider.  He thus can have more empathy and you two have more experience with the movable dynamic of Reliable Membership.
     
    There, I just about wrote you an article with links. 

     

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