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  1. Thanks for the speedy reply Al! And yes, I was definitely identifying with the Bully/Master/Slave/etc articles. My therapist said the same thing – apparently, there’s a new term – co-narcissist – but basically means: enabler/codependent. I do have plenty of work to do so that I can be in a more healthy and stable relationship. As for dealing with gaslighting narcissists, um, no thanks, I’ll take a pass on that.

  2. Al, I’ve poked around your site (ok, it’s been more than a little poking). Here’s my big question for you: how do you apply, or can you even apply, your principles when you are dealing with someone with narcissistic personality disorder who employs gaslighting?

    • Dear Jenn, Great question and the answer I want to give is “Hell, yes!” I even chatted with Sandra about it and we both got excited, here on vacation.

      NPD seems very common problem in our culture and I see it in relationships a lot. Sometimes the symptoms are so strong or so “in public” that the person gets a formal diagnosis. More often they just manage to go along causing trouble. And gas lighting seems a normally learned tactic that they have.

      I believe NPD is a common relationship disorder – meaning if the person lives alone the symptoms don’t cause trouble. On my website you will find NPD as synonymous with “Bully” or “Master”. You can read about their approach, and what to do about them, in the series of papers on Master/Slave.

      Another value for them is they cannot exist without a certain kind of partner who enables them. There are lots of labels for these people, I call them “Slaves” or “codependents.” Every time I’ve seen a NPD, they have always been surrounded by codependents all they way back through childhood.

      Sandra just said, “Codependents are grown to fall for gas lighting.”

      So if you want to deal with NPDs, get your own house in order and clear away any codependency you carry.

      Good luck.

  3. Hi, I’ve found this site per chance, I started reading and found that it has a lot of important insight.

    Curious enough I’ve more or less acted the way you describe, trying to keep the middle ground, avoiding to cling too much and avoiding to be isolated too much. Trying to mediate conflicts, not coming too strong nor too weak. The problem probably comes from that.
    I noticed that in some situations I act more like a Clinger, others more like an avoider. For instance, I can be isolated with 0 contact for weeks/months, but at the same time I expect my partner to show some clinging.
    Although I don’t show the usual Avoider traits, sure I have my “alone time” but I’m sort of like “kindness begets kindness”, when a partner clings to me I often cling back. Which, by what you described here might make my partner (which was the initial clinger) have an unfamiliar image of me, because I didn’t answer with the avoidance expected and familiar to his/her childhood.

    Since I always try to work on myself, because it’s more reliable (depends on me alone), I came to understand that I’m probably more of an Avoider, but I can move within the Clinging Chart too easily (which confuses my partner?). I say this because although I can be isolated an have no issue with it, I noticed I need what you call “quality love units” from my partner, if I currently have a partner.
    I also noticed that I might have some issue with commitment, not in the sense of betraying, but taking that next step, although I’ve never verbally said no to it, I might not have said yes either. Looking back, I was probably trying to make sure my partner was sure of it, didn’t want any part to have any regrets?

    Maybe I sense that I close more doors than those that I open, regardless of their quality, and want my partner to share the same view and be sure?
    Do you have any suggestion?

    • Dear AV, I’m curious.  It sounds as if you’ve reached my site and mostly believe you are doing “everything” in a pretty balanced way.   Sounds good, with the big sound of “but.”   You ask for suggestions.  I don’t see the problems yet.  For me the work begins with the problems.  It helps focus my/our efforts.  

      I can read between the line and guess what your are facing, but I really think I would be far off.  So I invite you to say more. What’s going on?  What are your and his stated problems?  

      The only things I hear are problems with “intimacy” and “trust.”  This article is about Reliable Membership and I am wondering about how you and your partners manage reliability?

  4. I am a clinger, and I hate it. My bf and I have been together for 2 years and up until 3 months ago we were relatively fine. He began pulling away, not calling and texting like he always had. He lives almost an hour away but works near where I live so he comes over only on Fridays after work to stay the night.

    He lives with his sister who apparently has no intention of allowing him to live his own life, for she keeps him around by playing the poor me card because she can’t afford her current bills alone. He feels obligated to her because 7 years ago she helped him in that situation. He and I used to talk about issues if they would arise, and he said he loves that if something bothers me, I simply tell him about it. Over the past few months he no longer calls or texts as he used to. Normal back then was up to 100 texts a day conversations and a phone call on his lunch break. This week has offered me calling him twice and him texting me 10 times total. Two weeks ago I went major Lizard on him and cornered him when he came over. I told him I feel bad because it feels like he is avoiding me. The whole time he sat with his head in his hands. When I asked if he understood what I meant, he said he was just taking it all in. I know now that I pushed too much.

    When I talk to him on the phone and tell him I love him, he hurries off the phone and doesn’t reciprocate. I brought it up and he said he’s just upset about his job and the slow down at work. I consciously know that I am clinging and begging for his affection. I am on the verge of becoming obsessed about finding out how I can make him happy again. I wait for the phone to ring, and for Fridays to come around. He’s begun leaving early on our one day a week, and I feel the avoidance behavior and it’s infuriating. I feel as though I’m running uphill and the apex is not in sight. I know I cannot corner him and order answers.

    But after reading through all your material, I have found that I need to simply call a time out for him. I try very hard to stay calm when he’s around, but my own feelings of inadequacy for not being able to get through and have him understand my feelings become overwhelming. I don’t know what else to do. I love reading, and read frequently to calm down and focus on other things. I work out to deal with the stress. I’m worried that I will have a nervous breakdown from the feelings I require that he does not give. My best friend is always available and I talk to him frequently to deal with it.

    Can you give me any additional advice or articles to read to further my patience and understanding? All help you offer will be taken and used. I am so thankful I found this site.

    • Well, hello Egirl,  I am a clinger and hated it for a long time also.  My guess is that all clingers have lots and lots of panic about being left alone/behind/out.  And that panic surfaces at its worst when in a relationship and your partner backs up and pulls away.  Of course that panic is just a taste of the panic the clinger had over and over as a kid – whether they recall it or not.  Panic sucks.

      The good news is that all of us are designed to be capable to survive alone.  It still sucks, but we can do it.  The goal for us Clingers is to learn the skills so that a partner will chose to live with us reliably for ever.  Those skills always mean learning to not come across as pushy and to be helpful when our partner needs quiet time.  Tis not easy at first. 

      Another piece of good news is this has nothing to do with our adequacy.  We are cool people.  If you divided the world into all the Clingers and Avoiders, I bet most of the cool things that are done are started by Clingers.

      Making sure that your partner has plenty of space and quiet time is only one of the things that makes them happy and feel safe.  But it is a start.  And it moves in the direction of making you feel safe and happy, too. 

      So your job, I guess, is to learn more about you and particularly how to deal with yourself when you start to panic.  Gotta get good at soothing yourself.  Books, best friends, etc. are all great.  Food, liquor, drugs, exercise are good as long as you watch yourself.  

      Patience is quite a project to learn.  I usually recommend anything that teaches you to practice it: meditation, any oriental practice, fly-fishing, painting, etc. Not the “mall”, video games, and noisy things. 

      “Understanding”?  My paper on Empathy might help.  Lots of people are working on this.  You might stay away from people who think they know it all.  

      • I really appreciate your help. I always thought by not asking him to see me more than once a week, I was giving him space. So I really did think that I was doing my part to be a good partner. I play guitar and find that very soothing also, so I will give that a try too. Guess I do have a little patience in me after all. Learning a new song doesn’t come overnight 🙂

        And after practicing some of the different things you wrote about and reading about pushing, I found that today when he talked to me he was very open and answered questions without me asking. I am so glad I found you on here. Today is one of the first days in quite some time that I don’t feel like I’m ready to rip out of my own skin. Thank you so much.

        I will definitely read over Empathy, because honest to goodness I have none for anyone in any situation. I think it will not only make me a better person, but a better partner. Again, thank you so very much Al. I hope others can use your words and experiences to better themselves and their relationships.

  5. BTW, he KNOWS i didn’t want him to go. He knows I love him, and the kids do, too. He has ZERO doubts about that. So, my silence won’t be taken as a lack of love. But, he has had many relationships in the past, and usually, when one is over, it’s not too long (3 weeks-7 months) before he’s in a new one. So, I’m worried.
    Mom of 7

    • Dear Friend,  This may be a little in-your-face.  Of course he knows you don’t want him to go!  He probably believes you want to posess him, like a jailer!.   Clingers, when they panic (even me), don’t act very loving.  They say they are loving and act very very different.  An Avoider often has trouble putting into words this conflict, this betrayal of love.  

      I hear and don’t believe your “ZERO doubts”.  

      My goal is that you recover the good parts of your relationship and build it much better.  Besides the Clinger/Avoider stuff, I am guessing that Controlling is an issue.  Keep a learning.  

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