How much should you tell?
How much should you tell?
as told by Al Turtle
© Al Turtle 2004
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One time my partner and I were driving around. I don’t know how the subject came up. Strange subjects often came up while on the roads above our home. What I do remember was being asked whether I kept secrets from her.
I took quite a time to answer. This was in those days when honesty, openness and candour were a kind of new thing to me. And it was also a time when neither of us were giving shallow answers. And so I looked inside for my truth.
“I tell you some of my truth. Some I don’t tell you,” I said. She asked what I meant.
I told her that I divided my inner world into two pieces: those things I would tell her about – am even eager to speak of; and those things that I kept hidden from her, that I hesitated or refused to speak about. When we arrived home, I drew a picture of this. I said that all the stuff on the left I would tell, and on the right I would keep hidden.
Looking at the picture, I told her that if she asked me a question about some things, I would want to answer. If she asked a question about other things, I would lie or refuse to tell her or change the subject. And some subjects were along that dividing line. Questions about those dividing-line topics would trigger great tension in me. And multiple questions about those subjects would exhaust me.
There was a pause in our conversation, as I both she and I became used to the truth I had just spoken.
Then she said the one word, “Why?”
I pondered for a while. Why do I do this? Do all people? Why do I keep things hidden? Am I scared of sharing? Yes. But why?
I answered, “I keep the things hidden which I think will upset you.” We spoke a little more and I clarified that the subjects to the right were all subjects I thought would upset her. Those to the left were all the ones I thought “non-upsetting.” And those along the line I was uncertain about. I also added that I had come to use the word “upset” to mean angry or sad or both.
I reiterated, “I guess I am protecting you, by holding back information.” And at that point I recall her getting pretty damn upset.
This discussion picked up again, several days later.
Solving the problem
We started off with this picture of me protecting her from “subjects I thought would hurt her.” I was being noble, but was deciding for her, ahead of time, what she could or could not stand to listen to. She didn’t like me doing this. I had been doing it for years with everyone I came close to. This was the famous “I don’t want to hurt her/his feelings” subject. I hear many people saying, “I don’t want to upset so and so.”
One issue that bothered my partner a lot was my making a decision “for her” about what she could handle, without asking her. This seemed pretty patronizing to her, and a lot like what she experienced as a child. As I, personally, have lots of training in the tools of arrogance, this came pretty naturally to me. She didn’t like it. I also didn’t like it, now that it was exposed. I could still recall my parents speaking about subjects they deemed I didn’t need to hear, while at the time I was very curious. I could certainly understand her and validated her.
Not sharing is worse than sharing.
We resolved that sharing could be problematical for both of us. It was hard. But that it was not as troublesome as keeping things hidden.
And so the question arose, “Why would I protect her from what she wanted to hear?” And this was followed by the question, “Why would she get upset at hearing things she wanted to hear?” And the final questions were, “What damage are we doing to each other by ‘acting “the normal way,’ and how do we want to change what we are doing?”
From the men
I spent some time talking about this with my men friends, and found out that my behavior seemed pretty normal to them, too. Were we, men, trained to protect women from being upset? It seemed so. We were certainly all used to our partner’s upset, and to trying to prevent it.
"Upset" as training
Some felt we, men, were acting out of fear of our wives’ behavior when they were upset. And so we looked at the idea that people punish others by “getting upset.”
The men linked this to the idea of how seeing-eye dogs are trained. A trainer has the dog by its harness. In the other hand he carries a paper bag of empty pop cans. When the dog does not pause at the edge of a sidewalk, where a blind man might fall, the trainer shakes the bag of cans in the dog’s face. The dog learns to avoid the shaking bag (the upset) by pausing at the sidewalk curb. And so a man learns to withhold his sharing as his wife gets upset (shakes the bag) when he does share. That idea seemed good, but not enough.
Some men related that they were using their partner’s “upset” as an excuse to not share. They were shy or hesitant even in the group meetings. As we spoke more of this, we realized that men often acted like an over trained seeing-eye dog in retirement – scared of any noise anywhere.
Protecting Little Girls
Some of the men felt they were protecting women. Then one of the men recalled something he heard at a retreat with Robert Bly. “The difference between a 10 year-old boy(girl) and a 14 year-old boy(man) is that the former has no room in his head for ugly thoughts and the older has plenty of room.” The idea was that a kid would run away from traumatic sights, while an older kid might be curious about the same, gory stuff. This man suggested that perhaps we, men, were all treating women as being youthful – protecting them from the ugly thougths. That idea fit, too.
I checked this out with my partner. She spoke of the cultural imperative to keep women youthful. She had finished reading Reviving Ophelia: Saving the Selves of Adolescent Girls by Mary Pipher, about what our culture does to young women – conditioning them to try to look and act “nubile” forever. She finally added the word that helped me. Women are trained to appear “fragile” as part of their cultural contract with men.
Together we put the two ideas alongside each other. Perhaps men are conditioned to be protectors, to keep women as “girls;” and women are conditioned to accept protection as proof of their success at appearing nubile. The men send the message, “I’ll protect you, little fragile girl, if you let me know what upsets/threatens you.” The women send the message “I’ll keep appearing like a little fragile girl, if you protect me. When I need protection, I will dramatically appear fragile and get upset.”
The Upset Problem
The formula then had two components:
- people inappropriately use “upset” to avoid the unpleasant, (by the way, this is the Master/Slave issue.)
- people are trained to give inappropriate protection to those who use “upset” as a signal. (this is one of the problems of the Power of Passivity.)
My partner and I became more comfortable with this formula, which our culture had handed us over time. It even seemed to hold up when we found out that the gender reverse was true – “women protect men from upset also.” At this point we threw out the idea that this was gender specific – both genders do it. “I don’t want to upset him.” “I don’t want to upset her.”
Solutions
The solutions became clear to us over time.
- I had to become willing to share anything with my partner. My caution, my growth challenge, was that when I was going to tell something that I feared might upset her, I had to give her warning and to help her with any reaction she might have.
- My partner had to learn how to “get tough,” and to be ready to listen to anything without “getting upset.” Her caution, her growth challenge, was to encourage me to share, to work to make it safe for me to share, and for her to take responsibility for reducing her reactivity. And these challenges were true for me to her and for her to me.
I set about learning how to become a source of safety to my partner, while at the same time sharing everything. I found that she didn’t like surprises. I found she didn’t like feeling pushed. And so I learned to say, “I’ve got something to share that might be difficult for you. Tell me when you are ready to hear it.” I learned to use Mirroring whenever I thought sharing might be difficult. “I’ll tell you, but only if you will mirror me as I do.”
I learned that her upset was often more a trial to her than it was to me, and that it was not useful for me to take her “upset” as a punishment toward me. I think that was about the time when we stopped using the phrase “upset at so-and-so” and replaced it by “upset by such-and-such.” I believe we wanted to increase the chance that only one of us would be “upset” at a time. I think that the best friend an upset person has is one who is not upset, and who is PreValidating, curious, understanding, and supportive.
My partner read more about women’s paths in life, and she came up with the term “crone.” This became a very positive image of strong and elder-becoming femininity. She used powerful concept to contrast with “little fragile girlishness.” I think she found that some component of her “upset ness” was just drama, and some part was genuine fear. Discovering the difference and learning what to do about each became one of her projects.
She gave me another thought. Sometimes she wouldn't share because she was "trying to say it correctly or right" (whatever that was?). She didn’t know how to say something without fearing saying it “wrong.” She told me this came from being raised by people who would frequently interrupt her and correct her speaking.
She and I learned to push through that hesitancy using another phrase. "I don't know how to say this right! So let me say it wrong and then let's, you and me, clean it up afterwards."
Lessons
- It is better to share than to keep hidden, in the long run.
- It is better to share it crudely than to keep it hidden.
- Keeping secrets from each other does not make anyone safer.
- How you share is critical. Do it dialogically.
- Prepare yourself to listen to anything and remain relaxed.
- Protecting someone from distress is a way of keeping them from growing up.
Dear Sue,
I have to “approve” all comments on this blog and sometimes I don't get to it for a couple of days. My principles are that any comment that is purely about topics on this website are ok. Anything off topic or that contains advertising is blocked. You question seemed right on topic so I posted the final version. Sorry for the trouble.
Al
i have typed several forms of the same question a couple of times and it does not look like it is posting…hopefully it's going somewhere! thanks, sue
This issue of what to share and what not to share continues to puzzle me. In my attempts to understand, and based on expereinces where the truth was withheld from me in my relationship, I come to some tentative conclusions.
For example, I know my partner/lover has his own musing, thoughts, fantasies…and in terms of sharing, I do not fee like I need or want my partner to share every personal musing he entertains…wether it would upset me or not. But especailly those that might feel a bit upsetting based on content…I think unless it's important or it's something he plans to take action on, then…why share?
I am wondering what you think of this or if this came up when you and your wife discussed this issues of sharing. I suspect a truly happy/healthy couple could share all…but still, is it sometimes just prudent to keep certain things to yourself?
For example, perhaps a particularly attractive waitress served by partner at lunch and he entertained sexual thoughts about her during the rest of the afternoon as he finished up work. When he gets home, he is still somewhat caught up in work mode along w/ these rather distracting thoughts/images he has been entertaining about this waitress. I notice his lack of presence and innocently ask what's on his mind, expecting that he will share a work problem or something of that nature with me. If instead he shares with me his afternoon fantasies about this waitress, who means nothing to him in his real life, who he does not know and has no plans of ever seeing again…then I think I would rather he keep those private afternoon thoughts to himself, and tell me about his work day. I know he has these thoughts about other women…but do I really need or want to hear about them? Sharing that with me, I think, would give the shared information about this woman a pantena of importance that it probably, hopefully, does not warrant, if it's just a fantasy or fleeting thoughts.
I'm wondering what your wife thought of these kinds of 'sharings'? I know from some statistics that men have these thoughs quite often and not just about their wives…knowing that is enough. I don't feel that I necessariliy need to be let in on the details…unless….
On the other hand, after the above scenario, my partner finds himself feeling compelled to go back to this restaurant to see this waitress such that he is even entertaining not just the fantasy of her, but finds he is drawn to making a real connection with this woman…then I would absolutely want him to share that with me so we can perhaps together avoid what may end up being an emotional or physcial affair that could be very damaging to our relationship. Bascially…I would like a relationship where before any step is made that will significantly affect our relationship and my own life, that we can talk and share and figure out was is going on and what is needed together. In this scenario, hopefully by talking, we will together put this fantasy into context and he will not feel compelled to act. If however, he's still wanting to be with someone else or is compelled to act, then maybe that means we are ending our committed relationship, but at least I am being given notice that my situation has now changed such that I have knowledge about information that affects my life and I am then able to make fully informed choices for myself based on that information.
And finally, if he chose to actually engage in an emotional or physcial affair w/ this waitress behind my back keeping it a secret for months, and I only find out about it much later, long after he has taken action steps (not just thoughts)…then yes, the secret was horribly damaging and I would feel very betrayed. It would be hard to ever trust him again. Being told he kept the affair from me to keep from huring me or to protect me, would cause even further anger…because in my opinion, by keeping me in the dark, I was not protected at all, indeed…by being left in the dark he left me unprotected and fully exposed to any number of possible negative impacts his affair may bring to my life. I was also robbed of the ability to take steps to protect myself, because I was kept in the dark.
So the 'sharing' ends up being sort of a timing/importance issue with me. But I am curious about your input based on these three scenarios? Specifically….
1) isn't it fine for couples to have their own private, ultimately un-important, thoughts without always sharing it? or do you think certain kinds of thoughts should always be shared?
2) any thoughts that are heading toward an action step that would directly affect the other partner…to me, would be a clear signal that it is now important information and should be shared
3) sharing, but only sharing after action has been taken, isn't really sharing…it feels more like a bomb being exploded without any warning and with no protection at all.
Would appreciate your input and expertise!
Thank you, Sue
That helps a lot– thank you, Al!
Good question, Stacey, And I may not have covered this anywhere in my papers.
There are three principles involved, I think. 1) your health, 2) your partner's capacity ro learn and witess, 3) avoiding building secrecy between you two.
1) For your health's sake you probably need to express the emotions around the issues you are talking about. I did. However, as a kid I was roundly discouraged from such healthy behavior – even told that such a healthy behavior was un-healthy. Wow, were my parents poorly trained in emotional expression and the clash between my normal strongly emotional body and their “parenting” was sad.
I think all of us need to learn how to appropriately express our emotions a) to lead us toward health and b) to promote empathic relating in society by not threatening each other.
Finding a “teacher” who will support you learning to express your emotions safely may be a challenge. A “good counselor” should be a help. Seek people who celebrate emotions as part of life. (I spent 10 years in Orgone Therapy to help me.)
2) Your partner may be more or less trained at emotional expression. Could be your partner is scared of emotions. Thus he (I'm assuming) will eventually need some re-education about emotions. You may be the person he's brought into his life to open up this training program – i.e. to have a good relationship with you he has to learn. But you may not be the best teacher for him.
But learning takes time and doesn't proceed well when people are panicked. And so the principle I have learned is that people do not have to witness your emotional expression if it scares them. You need to do it. They don't have to be present – at least at first and until they want to. Eventually, witnessing your expression, done safely, may become part of their learning path.
3) I believe it best for people to reduce, over time, the stuff they hide or withhold from each other. The goal is to share everything – eventually. And to make progress on this. The goal is more and more trust and more and more intimacy.
So, putting it all together, what does it look like if you have a bunch of emotional stuff to express and such expression scares your partner and if you go away to express it then it may appear like secrecy?
The solution is to “report” to each other on progress using dialogue. If you get a counselor who helps you express rage or grief, etc., make sure you tell your partner enough about it to make it interesting but not scary. “Hey, hun, I got so mad that I pounded on a pillow for 15 minutes before I got tired. It took that long. I felt so much better afterwards.”
The goal of all this is to share with each other, in dialogue, everything, while at times taking breaks from each other. This is a bit like one person going to work, a work the other doesn't like, and still coming home and reporting on the work-stuff.
No surprises.
Hope this helps.