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Feelings and Emotions: The Essay, Part Three, Energetics, The Flow of Feelings & Depression — 9 Comments

  1. Dear Al,
    What are your thoughts on meditation and it's effectiveness?
    I see your theory that for a person to receive proper validation, it usually has to come from interaction with another human, or interaction with something a human made i.e. movies, music.
    How do you weigh the worth of validation that you give yourself,during a meditative session? What if you're unsure of how to quantify the validation you get from others?
    And If I am able to recognize the validation for what it's worth, how do I store it or apply it? (I've had trouble with confidence) Do you think it should be fed into what you call ' Purpose', or rather my own personal genius?
    I think my obstacle is that I received a ton of empty, redundant validation from my mother while growing up, or rather she always celebrated actions that were quite often mundane,  Now I am highly suspicious of any praise I get, and I find it difficult to apply to my sense of self worth. I think part of this difficulty is to due to the fact that I think my genius is artistic and therefore it's worth is very subjective.
    Any thoughts of yours on these ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
    J

    • Good to hear from you, J.

      I have the impression that you and I have very different definitions of "Validation." That may cause you some confusion in understanding me. I will use my definition.

      I really like meditation as a wonderful practice to slowing you down and a great practice that can be used for Validation, but usually I think a more "empty mind" is useful.

      I think that the habit of validation begins with someone outside of you doing the work and then migrates into a personal habit.  It sounds a bit like this to a kid, "Oh, I see why you did that, J.  You were trying to get some food."  

      I think "Validation" is not any kind of approval nor agreement.

      The core in validating someone else is in "making em feel understood" by "bearing witness to their sense (as different from yours)." The core of validating yourself is in fulling understanding yourself.

      My guess is that you received a bunch of redundant, empty and shallow, approval from your mom, but not Validation. 

      My full paper on Validation.

  2. Dear Anditiswhatitis,
    Thanks for the great increase of the size and detailedness of your story. It really helps me look more acutely at what is going on and what are the more critical areas to address. Even though what I said to you before is ok, I do have some more thoughts. Two areas surface as critical for me.
    The prime issue for everyone is around the dynamic of panic vs relaxation. This is what my paper on the Lizard is all about. My goal is to help couples become team partners in helping each other relax. Job is tough! then the partnership helps both relax while developing better solutions. Partner-communication is tough! then both work on developing relaxing ways of supporting each other sharing. To ignore signs of panic in yourself or your partner seems dysfunctional – leads to more trouble. To ignore signs of relaxing seems equally foolish.
    In your story I saw several signs of panic and relaxation that you might not have taken advantage of. E.g. “My opinion was discounted” Talking to your ex-mom was a “huge release.”
    I wrote the Lizard paper to prioritize the Panic reactions in ourselves and to express the fundamentals of dealing with these reactions. They are quick, immediate, and relatively not open to logic or words. They seem mostly instinctual, automatic and unconscious. I will never “argue” about a Lizard reaction. I think the reactions occur way before the words of any argument.
    Sure, you can use Lexapro to deal with the activity of your Lizard, but Lexapro will not get rid of the valid reasons for your Lizard to be active. I think of this as lying on a battle field, watching the enemy approaching, and taking some meds so that you won't be to anxious. OH well.
    So the second thing I see is possibly a contributor to your Lizard's valid panic reactions. The key phrases in your letter were many. I believe you probably are beginning to leave a lifestyle and perhaps a community that is based on conformity and obedience. Your husband may not be there yet. Such an event is normal in a couple's relationship as its basic structure is not “conformist” but is instead “democratic”. In a conformist, anyone who rebels may feel pretty threatened.
    I have written extensively about this in all the Master/Slave papers on Autonomy. “My utter inability to defer. I do not make a quiet slave.” This is a huge issue and will scare the heck out of your Lizard until it is resolved. Besides we live in a country (I am assuming you are in the U.S.) which is base on revolution, the “loud resistence to tyrants.”
    I suggest that while you are looking at emotions and understanding them better, that you will want to get familiar with my work on Safety (the Lizard) and on Master/Slave (Autonomy).
    Good luck.

  3. Hi, Al.
    Thank you for the response.
    I probably should have given you at the very least a smidgen of back story to help you help me. I did not as I did not wish to color your reply in anyway.
    Here's the issue:
    My partner and I have been incapable of having a decent, let alone “conscious” relationship for years. In trying to seek some new tools, we have seen a counselor on and off who had prescribed lexapro for my partner a ways back. In my partner's view, the meds helped him immensely.
    Well, shocker of all shockers, we are back to being strife-ridden. Also, shocking, we are enmeshed in the same dysfunction, same arguments, same nonproductive, threatening, berating, et al mode of communication. In going back to the counselor, the counselor strongly suggested I now go on lexapro based on what my partner gave as observations and reports of my emotional state, and anxiety causing life events. In my opinion, my opinion was discounted or dismissed during the decision to recommend the meds.
    The two of them concluded that I was suffering from General Anxiety Disorder (GAD) based on the following (not in any particular order of importance or weight as I recall):
    a) I run a very small struggling business. Struggling to the point that I am contemplating closing my doors. Yes, stressfull and anxiety producing.
    b) I am tired. Yes, I am exhausted. I am dealing with “a” listed above, AND have 2 small children. So, yes, I am tired.
    c) An x-boyfriend/x-business partner took his own life earlier this year and the counselor is of the mind that I could not possibly cope without professional help to deal with it. And my not discussing in great detail with nor looking for comfort from my partner about the matter is indicative of an issue in me.
    (As I relayed to the counselor, I did, however; for some then unknown reason become the point person for my deceased x's mother. I know now that me chatting with her every couple of days and listening to her release her grief and sorrow was a HUGE release for me also. Just in being there for her and trying to console her, I also found consolation and helped my own heart and head to process the shattering decision he made.)
    d) My partner was (and perhaps still is) convinced that if I would “just go on lexpro, none of this would be going on.” I would not be angry, hurt, or feel the need to express it to him.
    (Please keep in mind that a chief complaint of my partner's is in his words my utter inability to defer. I do not make a quiet slave. Or perhaps I am a master with quite the decibel level. My fight or flight instinct is geared more towards fight, though I am working on that.)
    Anyhoo, in session with the counselor both with my partner and then alone, I also expressed the following:
    I do not want to take a medication to eliminate or diminish my feelings. I do not want to be a poster child for the saying “I used to care, but now I take a pill for that.” For me, I believe that feeling pain, hurt, anger is okay. It just depends on what I do with it. Again, it's just me, but I need to feel, then hopefully, look at the feeling, determine what it causing the feeling, and then see if the two jive. Is it reasonable to the present situation or is the present situation just conjuring up old things? Anyways, it's just my process. Do I always get it right? No.
    Am I sleeping? Yes. I am able to focus? Yes. Am I able to be productive? Yes.
    Am I furious that my taking a medication has been deemed the cure for what ails our relationship and react poorly to the continued assertation by my partner? Yup.
    Is my anxiety order “general” in nature. Not in my mind. My anxiety is specific and targeted. Typically kicks in right as I hit my front door.
    Oh! And another thing! “Rumination” has been besmirched by our counselor. It has become a dirty word in my house, which makes me crazy. When did introspection and analysis of one's self and situation outside of a counselor's office become a symptom of a mental impairment?
    This comes off as angry, rambling, and defensive!
    So maybe I do need medication!
    On a lighter note:
    I have been rummaging around your site for months. I find your writings ring true. Thank you for all of the time and energy you have put into amassing this information for all of us relationship-impaired people out here.
    Cheers!

  4. Dear And, I'm not sure what your situation is behind your question. I can share a couple of thoughts. I am very conscious of depression as being a normal experience when a) your emotional life is pretty constricted and/or b) when your future seems bleak. I think the function of the depression is a kind of wake-up call to broaden your emotional skills (empty that Pot of yours) and/or the make some changes in your life, to get unstuck, to make your future better. Generally people who have constricted emotions were trained that way as a kid (like me) and will need assistance at recovering the safe and comfortable expression of all emotions. Lots of therapies out there. I chose Orgone Therapy. If your future is bleak, particularly your relationship future, then I recommend looking my articles on Passivity and getting help with it. You will probably need to empower yourself. Lots of choices there. In the meantime, if depression is just "too deep" you may need the assistance of anti-depressants in order to move forward, to get to do the work. That means finding a cooperative MD. But I would really see medication as most often just an assistant for a while – 1-6 months. Longer probably means you aren't doing the work. I don't like the idea of long-term anti-depressants. Though I imagine "drug companies" might like it. Hope this helps.

  5. Hi, and thank you for providing all of your insights and views up here on the net openly.
    I am wondering what your views on the prescription of and use of anti-depressants and serotonin blockers to help people in their relationships are.
    Thank you in advance for any musings you may impart on this subject.

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