Getting to Work
This paper is a work in progress and still not finished. Sandra
and I are working on in right now.
© Al Turtle 2006 Original
Frequently couples get exhausted trying to fix their relationship troubles. I don’t blame them. Working on getting along can use a lot of energy. And I can recall being “sooo tired.” From my vantage point, I can look back and be astonished at how much energy I wasted doing foolish things (they seemed good ideas at the time) that “didn’t work.” Over and over I would do something and get nowhere. I now see that I was just learning great lessons. My exhaustion was telling me to do something new.
A couple came to see me yesterday. The wife said, “I’ve done everything I can to get him to talk.” I replied, “Bummer! You sound tired?” She sighed, “Oh, I’m dead tired! Nothing works!” I said, “If I have it right, everything you know doesn’t seem to work. Perhaps you need to try something new, something you don’t yet know how to do? Perhaps you need a skill that you don’t now have? And, isn’t that why you came to me? Let’s see if we can find out what skills you are missing.” She said, “Ok.” And we started to work.
In this article I hope to share my view of the process of getting a great relationship from the very widest perspective. This is another way of looking at the Map of Relationships that focuses on the Great Shift and elaborates on other areas. You might want to first look at the Map and read my paper on it, Map of Relationships, to get some background for this view.
Focusing on the Great Shift
After a while of living together, every couple begins facing a lot of pain. What they are doing isn’t working in many ways, and life together is not only not fun but has become down right uncomfortable. They have three options: quit and split, give up trying, get to work.
Option 3 leads to divorce or moving out. Following a relatively lengthy period of living alone, they try again. And come back to the same spot with another person – facing the three options again.
Option 2 is what most people choose. They drop out of the search for real “romantic” love, and instead just co-exist. Since about 90% of marriages end up here, this type of relationship is easy to see in those around us.
Option 1 is the one I am most interested in. This is a satisfying way out of the pain, the way that people falling in love want to follow, and the way that I teach. This winding path often begins, for many people, right there in my office.
Almost everyone who shows up is facing the three options (what I call Doors #1, #2, #3) in one way or another. And thus I have had a lot of opportunities to study what happens to people when they cross the threshold – thru Door #1.
This Shift, across the threshold, is almost visible when it occurs. Sometimes it appears in both partners at the same time. More often it appears in one person before it shows in the other. And once I recognized this Shift with couples, I began to see it regularly in my practice with individuals and in groups as well. My goal in this paper is to help you make that Shift.
The Great Shift: Finally Getting to Work
Many years ago I had a friend who was a Roman Catholic Priest. Father Thomas was a big man with a deep voice. He came to dinner at our house. My kids really loved him. As assistant pastor in a nearby town, he often lead the youth activities and sometimes my wife and I would go along and be chaperones. He often spoke of how “sheep-like” people were, how often they would wait until someone told them to move. To this day I can still hear his great voice saying, “Just do it!”
And so here I am, saying in to you as Father Thomas would have. “Just DO it!.”
The Great Shift involves switching from
- follower mode to leader mode, from
- pushing to inviting mode, from
- waiting mode to taking action mode, from
- passive to responsible, from
- helplessness to empowered mode, from
- dreaming to waking, from
- receiving mode to giving mode, from
- consuming to producing mode, and from
- self-destruction mode to self-construction mode, and from
- “complaining know-it-all” mode to student mode, and
- from Critical/Judgemental to Curious Interviewing mode..
Wow! is that all a mouthful. Of course, these are just words, labels for The Shift that I see all the time. I will discuss each form of shift below.
It is pretty easy to tell which side of the threshold people are on just by listening to them say a few sentences about their relationships. One group is particularly easy to identify. These are the skilled professionals, people who are very competent and confident on the job (teaching, preaching, in court, in surgery, in the consulting room, driving that cop car or that M1 Abrams tank, operating that computer system, managing a large group of people, administrating a large organization) and who are equally confident, yet woefully incompetent, with their partner at home.
Let’s Look at the Map Again
Below is the same Map of Relationships, but with some new terms in the boxes. The Big Shift that I want to help you to cross is into Door #1. And I dropped even showing the Divorce path, Door #3.
The story behind this version of the Map was a discussion in my men’s group. They were focusing on alcoholics one evening and on the powerful tendency to be self-destructive that often emerges in recovered alcoholics about their retirement age. The group shifted to general topic of self-destructiveness – the tendency to do things that lead you away from your goals. Several examples of self-destructive habits came up:
- If you want peace in a relationship, the tendency to be silent or withdraw from conflict won’t work.
- If you want your partner to stop avoiding you, the tendency to pursue or chase them won’t work.
- If you want your partner to share their thoughts with you, the tendency to ask many questions won’t work.
- If you want resentment go away, the tendency to “sweep it under the rug” won’t work.
Then one guy asked, “What is the opposite of self-destructive?” After a pause, someone suggested “self-constructive.” And then another said, “That is what the University of Life is about! – self-construction!” I went to the board and the following chart emerged.
Before Marriage or Living Together (left side of chart)
Three things affect you before you get married or get into a partnership.
- The DNA driven structure of your brain, and that of everyone else on God’s green earth, is designed with a particular kind of community “in mind”. The Biological Dream, my version of this specific universal human need and yearning, drives a person in the direction of “finding a partner and changing their community from a dream into a reality”. This material I believe is pretty much identical for all humans.
- The family/culture you have lived your childhood and youth in teaches many many skills and beliefs about how people “should” live and what actions to take if you think things are not going well. This material is different for each person – even for each child in the same family.
- Some of us have the experiences from their last romance(s) and their last break-ups. This also becomes material background to falling-in-love (again) process.
Biological Dream: I have written of this extensively. At this point I just want to remind you that a successful partnership or relationship or community will embody the skills that offer and maintain these human needs.
- SAFETY: In such a community we will “agree” to safety for all participants – all members will be able to breathe easy, and no member will use threat.
- RELIABLE MEMBERSHIP: We will agree that all will feel a reliable sense of belonging while at the same time will feel the ability to get enough space.
- DIVERSITY: We will agree we will support all members to be different, to see the world differently and to make sense at all times within their own world view. and to share this “disagreement” mutually.
- AUTONOMY: We will agree that all people are encouraged and respected in making their own decisions at their own pace.
- PURPOSE: And finally we will all agree that everyone is supported in becoming their best selves – reaching for expression of their unique purpose for being alive.
When people speak of “agreeing to disagree,” the correct meaning is in #3 item above – “we commit to create and maintain a community where no one is pressured to agree.”
Traditional Family / Culture:
I’ve found that it is common in the United States, and probably in most industrialized countries as well, for parents to proceed to put their children and their children’s needs to sleep. I am sure this is more so in families poorly prepared for child rearing and less so in families better prepared. I am comfortable that the culture as a whole is actively interested in conformity, and not very interested in the maturation of unique beings. If you take all the items in the Biological Dream and compare them to cultural norms both of child rearing and just getting along, I think it easy to see why lovers and Vintage Lovers have so much trouble being part of our culture. I believe that most kids rarely see the skills of Safety, Reliable Membership, Diversity, Autonomy or Purpose applied either to them or by their parents to each other. Instead they see the skills of manipulation, coercion, persuasion. They experience threats when they display their differences or independence, etc. I recall John Bradshaw years ago speaking about the efforts of our culture to suppress individual thinking and individual initiative, just as is done in boot camp in the military.
Not all cultures seem to do so poorly in raising wide awake, self-responsible children. What I’ve found is that the indigenous communities (there aren’t many of them left) do a much better job. I define an indigenous community as one that has lived together in peace, without famine, for 10s of generations. In that time they have had time to make their mistakes at raising children and have “cleaned up their act.” Checking into their practices has been fascinating to me. Here are some examples from the Dagara tribe in Western Africa (Burkina Faso).
- Children are indulged up till a specific age when the shift to adulthood is very pronounced. (Safety)
- It is normal for a mother of a young child to have not seen her child for several days, and to not be worried. The child is being taken care of by others somewhere in the village. (Safety)
- Each child is a member of the community – not property of their parents. Nothing they do can get them expelled. (Reliable Membership)
- Each child has many many “parents.” (Reliable Membership)
- Early in childhood the child determines in which of the many clans it feels a sense of belonging and remains a member of that clan for life. (Reliable Membership)
- Doors to all houses are draped with a blanket so that no child experiences a locked door. They are invited in wherever they go. (Reliable Membership)
- Children are seen at birth as fully mature beings with a body problem. (Diversity)
- In the evening children may wander in a group from hut to hut, smelling the cooking and deciding where they will eat. (Autonomy)
- All children are born geniuses – at something. It is the responsibility of the community members to nurture or “fertilize” that genius. (Purpose)
- Childhood is called “forgetting” for this is a time when the child matures in body skills. Their Purpose for coming to this community is re-evoked during initiation process. (Purpose)
Romantic and Power Stages of a Relationship:
If you see this as a kind of Dream Walking, people wandering with arms outstretched and eyes closed, then I think it easier to understand these two stages. The Romantic Stage is full of the wonderful dreams that sell romance novels and movies. The Power Struggle Stage is filled with Nightmares and much thrashing around. At first couples know almost nothing about each other, but they think they are in the presence of “Mr. or Mrs. Right” and later in the presence of a betraying monster. They are wrong in both instances. Amazingly in the Romantic Stage, both people tend to be very neglectful of their own needs. They submit, tell lies, and even do self-damage in order to make their partner happy. In the Power Struggle Stage people move into self and mutual destruction. They repeatedly do things that destroy their chances of happiness. They use “threat” to get “love”. They use traditional family skills in an attempt to bring their Biological Dream into reality.
I’ve come to believe that the lack of good childhood nurturing, i.e. the more the child is “put to sleep”, then the greater the dream quality of these two stages. The more “I didn’t have it, the more I desire it.” Thus passion and romance are often a echo of a dysfunctional childhood. A childhood that is “normal” from the point of view of our culture is often severely “dysfunctional” from the point of view of the Biological Dream that lies in all of us.
A man today told me that at one time his wife told him that he drank too much. His internal response was, “It was true. But I couldn’t allow her to be saying it.”
I think these Dream walking stages prepare people for the Great Shift. The fuel behind this Shift is the avoiding of pain. And the dreamy first two stages of relationship sure set up a remarkable amount of pain – pain of disappointment since the dream never lasts, pain of betrayal because your dreamboat partner is now hurting you, and pain of failure because what you know how to do doesn’t work. This is like addiction in that the addictive process doesn’t solve the problem and leads to more pain. See my story of The Old Dog.
I’ve come to see Romance as a wonderful Bait-and-Switch situation set up by God.
One day God looked down on the earth. “Hey, wait a minute. What’s wrong with people! When I put them there they were perfect. There must have been some mistakes during their childhood.”
- So He started a program to send every adult back through childhood. No one signed up – not even the parents who were going to get a second chance.
- So He created a new program. Everyone would get to go back through childhood with a partner who very closely resembled their original parents, warts and all. Well, no on signed up for that program either.
- Then He created a third program. “I will find them a partner who closely resembles their original parents, but when they meet I will fill both of them so full of infatuation drugs that they won’t notice the resemblance.” And people have been signing up for this Program #3 ever since.
Of course many people choose, still in a dream, to split, leave or divorce their first partner and continue the dream that they will find Mr. or Mrs. Right. They won’t. This is like going to a gambling casino dreaming of the jackpot. Only in a fantasy driven marriage-go-round does the jackpot pay. There are only two ways to deal with the dream. And the first, I believe, is a trap that doesn’t work.
The Trap, Going Back to Bed
Most couples give up those wishes in, what I think, is a very self-destructive move. They go back to sleep. They give up the dream. They give up trying to make it happen. I believe well over 90% of couples who have been married a long time have gone back-to-sleep. They enter The Trap. This saddens me greatly, for it perpetuates what I call the generalized dysfunction of our culture. If a young couple asks these people for help in making a great relationship, they get advice and instruction on how to give up!
I sometimes find it difficult to talk about this group. I do not see them in my office, as they don’t come in. I do see them socially. And since this is the vast majority of couples living together, I see many of them. They are often the parents, the sister and brother-in-laws, the married children of my clients. Not only do I feel distant from them, my clients often feel distant from these “significant” people in their lives.
One challenge I have is that I sense they don’t like me – at all. I think this makes sense. They have given up the possibility of a better relationship. They have accepted their situation and have called what they have “good enough”. I work with and for the people who want more in their lives than these people do. These people have some pretty derogatory names for “those who will not accept their place in life.” And further I represent a group of people they don’t believe exists. I represent people who achieved better things in life. I recall going on a radio interview with a interviewer who was in this Trap. All he seemed to want to do was to prove that no one can get a good relationship and that whatever I said was a waste of time. It wasn’t a fun interview.
Still these people make up the wonderful fertile group of those who have vast potential. All they have to do is reach some crisis that kicks them back out of the Trap – back to the Choice Point Options: Doors #1,2,3. And lots of crises seem to lie slumbering in the Trap. And yet the way out is so near and all around them.
Make the Shift: Just “Do It!”
A: Shift from Follower mode to Leader mode
I’ve seen this one over and over again. It works. I did it myself. It is on this shift that I base my article “It Takes One to Make a Marriage. Two to Make a Divorce.” I’ve found that most people are trained to follow others when it comes to doing new things. For most people they are consciously or unconsciously following the advice or instruction of their parents or caretakers. Usually this advice didn’t do their parents much good and, of course, won’t do the children much good either. And so each partner is usually waiting for the other person to go first, to so something better. BOTH ARE WAITING! This generally doesn’t work at all. Someone has to move. How about you!
Once apon a time there was a woman who was pregnant for 23 months. Finally the doctors gave up ‘acting patient’ and opened the mother up. Inside were two little creatures with grey beards, each saying, “No, you go first!”
I think the first step is to notice that things aren’t working. The second step is to decide to learn how to do things better yourself, stop focusing on your partner, and to make the new learnings into solid habits in yourself. Learn them well so that other’s can see the difference in the way you act. Lead the way.
Examples
I can share two examples from my life. About fifteen years ago I heard someone speak of “being a source of safety to your partner.” I began to realize that many things I did scared my partner. I decided, between me and God, I was going to remake myself into “source of safety.” I was going to make myself into someone that my partner would run toward when they became nervous. I studied what made her nervous, and what calmed her. I practiced and got good at it. It worked. I did not wait for her. I did it first – I led the way.
The second example was about Validation. I didn’t even know what validation was, but I heard from someone I trusted, that validating my partner would “make her purr and sit on my lap.” I decided, between me and God, that I would become an expert at validation. I studied, and learned, and practiced and got good at it – I led the way. Now validating is easy. And I believe it is worth every effort I put into it – 100 times over.
Notice in both examples the action was to lead the way at learning something. I’ve also learned that the way to teach others is to model doing it. Show them how. Do it! Kids learn best from watching their parents or teachers practice what they teach. If you want your partner to practice listening to you, listen to them and show them how easy it is.
B: Shift from Pushing to Inviting mode
In the long run, pushing people doesn’t work. Try pushing a horse and it just leans into you. Most of us are super-sensitive to being pushed. We react against it. On the other hand, I’ve learned that people must be invited. I learned in my experience with a United Way Board of Directors, that the primary reason that people give to charities is that “they are asked.”
Inviting people to talk works. Pushing them doesn’t work. What is the difference? Well I think it is really in “how it comes across.” If you do something, like ask a question, and someone resists or pulls away, then what you are doing is coming across as pushing. If you do something and perhaps your partner doesn’t respond, but they also don’t resist or pull away, then what you are doing may be coming across as invitation. I think pushing has time or performance pressure involved. The pusher seems to have an expectation. I think inviting come across with no expectation. I recall asking my wife why she did things. It came across as pushing. Later I learned to let her know that I was curious, and then changed the subject. Bit by bit she felt invited. And so I suggest you learn to state your desires without expectation.
One powerful concept is about how to get an adult to do something, anything. I often say that up until age 8 each of us is entitled to every consideration from our parents or caretakers. After age 8, we are all lucky to get oxygen to breathe and water to drink. After age 8 you have to earn whatever you get. I think it would be helpful if parents would teach this to their children. Pushing seems so much an act of trying to get from someone something that you think you are owed. Inviting is much more about “paying ahead.” I like the idea that “investing” in my partner reaps great rewards. Thus learning how to invest easily is pretty valuable. Find our what your partner really needs and wants, and invest in them.
C: Shift from Waiting mode to Taking Action mode
I have become used the the idea that during the first two stages of a committed relationship, both people are waiting for the other to move, to start doing something, to become “better.” Every couple who comes into my office seems to be waiting for the other to do something. “I have a problem,” says each, “and it is sitting in the other chair.” This tendency to wait, I believe, comes straight out of childhood when kids had to wait for their parents. I think the DNA structure of babies prepares them for the waiting mode, and this resurfaces in romantic relationships. Romance is kind of like a burst of delight that the “good mommie” or “good daddy” has just appeared, and all will be “ok” now. The power struggle is kind of like the child crying at the perfect loud pitch to get those slow parents to meet their needs. I like the phrase, “Complaining is just the adult form of a baby crying for their needs.”
So often, I see women loudly expressing their wants to a quiet man. She’s waiting for him to finally move and he’s waiting for her to finally shut up. I certainly see the noisy man and the quiet woman, too.
Crossing over from that “I am waiting because I am entitled” mode to the taking action to get what you want is a hard move. It was for me. I think it is a fundamental shift of growing up. The big move is to start to discover what to do that works. If you want something from your partner, what can you do for them that makes them inclined to give you what you want. This is not a manipulation. It is investment.
D: Shift from Passive to Responsible mode
Being passive means waiting also. But I think it is much more. Passive is what you do when you watch TV. Passive is what you do when you go to a football game and sit in the stands. Passive is where you act, and perhaps believe, that the action is all being done by someone else. I recall thinking that often those in the football stands can better see what plays would make sense, but they cannot move the football. While the ones on the football field can move the ball but often don’t have a great view of what needs to be done. (This is where football coaches with headsets and hand signals came from.) Passive seems to be one-sided thinking. “We have lots of troubles and you could solve them all. I have nothing to do with it.” Passive often means stating a problem or a dislike and then waiting silently for something to happen. “I don’t know how to communicate well” is followed by silence. “I don’t know what to do” followed by silent waiting.
Passive also means being very indirect. For example, passive lying is the most pernicious form of lying in a relationship, but passive people do it all the time. This means that you do not speak up with things are “wrong.” It means you quietly wait for “the other” to find out what they are doing. Passive lying is that old fashioned “sin of omission.” Passive lying is about not saying things. My dad was a fairly wounded person. He learned at an early age to avoid sounding “selfish” by never using the word “I” in a sentence. He call it the “big I”. What this would lead to was some remarkable situations. At the dinner table, instead of saying “Please pass the peas” or “I’d like some more peas”, he would say, “The peas look good tonight.” We kids would look at each other, then follow the instruction passively hidden in that phrase, and pass the peas to him. Needless to say, passive actions can pretty easily irritate me.
Being passive can also lead to some other wonderful sentences. “That rock needs moving.” “The car needs to be towed.” These are examples of common indirect phrases. I am clear that the person speaking wants someone to move the rock or someone to tow the car. But the responsibility for the ‘desire’ has been shifted from the person to an inanimate object, while the speaker is acting as if they themselves are not involved. The use of the word “You” can be a clue to passivity. “You hurt me,” is a great example. Not only is the speaker not taking ownership for their thought, but they are trying to pass responsibility onto someone else. And finally “blame” is all about passivity. “They made me angry.”
The Shift involves moving into the Responsible Mode – taking responsibility for your own actions, feelings, beliefs, well-being, success, etc. I think it means “doing it!” – taking action. “I don’t know how to communicate well.” is followed by some phrase like, “and I am registering in a class on communication.” “I feel kind of depressed lately and I have an appointment with a doctor. In the meantime, I am exercising more.” “I don’t know, but I am going to find out.” “We have lots of problems and I am going to work until we get them all fixed.” Passive lying goes away. “I don’t know how to say this right, so let me say it wrong and then you and I can clean it up.” “I imagine you don’t want to hear this, but I believe you would rather hear it than have me keep it a secret, so here goes.” I think it involves a lot of using the word “I”. “I think this.” “I believe that.” “I choose to do this.” “I want that.” “I recall that.” Now the rock becomes the passive feature of the landscape and the speaker becomes active. “I am gonna move that rock. Would you help?” And blame goes away. “When you did that, I hurt. I am not sure what the connection is. I believe you didn’t hurt me, but I still hurt. I am gonna figure this out. Do you have any ideas?”
E: Shift from Helplessness to Empowered mode
I think a whole lot of our cultural training is directed at making us feel and act helpless. The goal seems to be to make people feel unable to do anything but “follow the leader.” I certainly see this is politics. But I’ve seen it in the way we all seem to raise our children. Raising empowered children, empowering your spouse, giving yourself power, and building a vibrant but democratic culture seems to me the way to go.
I can look at this Empowerment from two directions. How to empower myself and How to empower others?
Empower Self
– I think there are lots of ways to go about this. Developing tough boundary skills and habits are a good one.
– But a big fear for many is that to become powerful, you have to dominate others. “If I get strong, I have to be a beast like my dad was.”
Empower Others
– The only people you can trust are those who can tell you “No!” to your face.
– I don’t agree with you, but I’ll fight for your right to disagree with me.
Shift from Dreaming to Waking mode
Shift from Receiving mode to Giving mode
Shift from Consuming to Producing mode
Shift from Self-destruction to Self-construction mode
Shift from “Complaining know-it-all” to Student mode
Shift from Critical/Judgemental to Curious Interviewing mode
(MORE WILL COME) Once you are moving along you might want to check out my article on Working on your Relationship/Marriage.
Hi Al, It is some time since I visited your site – in the meantime I have been getting on with working on myself. My spouse left me just over two years ago now, and that time was devastating, horrendous and the worst period of my life. I am coming through the other side now, and have done much work on myself and come to terms with my behaviours etc, contributed. Just reading your essay on the shift – I believe I am well on the way (possible achieved some of the aims) ie. I am so much more aware of how I react, proact and so on. I see my spouse (we are not divorced – still sep) regularly as he come to see our kids, and he is now friendly, talkative and offers to do jobs around the house, occasionally staying over (on the couch) to finish to the next day). Inevitably, my thoughts drift to whether he is having a change of heart or whether (as one of my sons puts it) he is using our home as a cheap hotel. I am hesitant to say anything (once bitten twice shy) yet also becoming frustrated. Is this being passive? (and therefore discrediting myself) or am I empowering his behaviour by saying nothing? (At the same time trying not to fall into the old trap of interpreting his thoughts actions?) I suppose the question Al is – how do you navigate this kind of territory?
Dear Al,
First, heartfelt thanks for the blog. I have been lurking and learning here for almost two years. I am still learning the steps/ techniques you have presented and bringing them forward to my GF as well. Looking into a local Image Therapist, too. Though, I am positively biased….
Second, I was referred here by a friend who became a client after an affair. Thus, I have sent others here to. Some have posted and I thank you for your help.
Last, and the main point of the post, is to inquire if you have any more to add to THIS article, or have finished this paper? I feel like a fan fiction reader looking for his nest article in the interesting and exciting series (anticipatory curiosity!)! I am hoping to gather more tools for myself and to continue to share with others.
Sincerely,
Anjin
PS> Think “Shogun” main character reference…
Well, Anjin, What a request! Sounds a bit as if I’d written a series like Game of Thrones and you are really interested in how that character manages of live or is killed. Seriously, I will take your “nudge” into consideration. When I escalated that 2005 paper to the top of the heap, I brought it to Sandra’s attention to see if she wanted to share some experiences of other couples or of our own. We just haven’t gotten back to it. The stuff is in our heads.
Thanks for the kind words and encouragement.
Well, it didn't work. I am responsible but I also think he has OCPD (OCD runs in the family).
I just couldn't handle the list-making, and endless decision analyzing, black or white thinking, and the complete dismissal of my needs. I tried to respect his needs… but when you're waiting a year for a commitment and all you hear is 'this list still has items on it that need to be checked off BEFORE I can…' you have to say somthing like:
Hey, I'm here waiting– if I can't help you with the list– then I need you to finish, get help with, or forget the list so we can have a life together– otherwise I am wasting my time here.
So that's what I said. It didn't work of course, but I do actually think that it was the right thing for me.
Dude, to me it seems you are still in passive mode. You keep mentioning how you are “waiting” for him to do something, and instead of taking real action for yourself you diagnose him and wait for him to change.
Good thoughts, Young Lad. Certainly comes across like acres of passivity. Only problem is that your timing is off. Those comments are from 2008, and were posted when I had less contact with how my Blog was run. I wonder what happened to Anonymous? Usually, back then, I would connect with the person my email if I could. My Blog software, back then, permitted people to post without leaving an email address.
You’re right. AV was waiting but then she asked for clarity and it never came along. Well she gave up, met another man and got married in 2013. (Ironically or creepily– guy number 1 decided to get married to his galpal on the same day as AV did). For AV stopping waiting it was the right choice. Of course now she’s having problems with the new guy too– but she knows 50% of the problems are her stuff, and the other half is his.
Dear AV,
Yup, sounds normal to me 🙂 I can hear some things you might be missing and I imagine some skills you need. You've got that bit about him reacting to you as if you were his mother, etc. You might be missing that you are probably reacting to him as if he were –hell, your mom or dad or both.
Also, I hear you noticing that he misreads you, fanticizing that he is doing your thinking. Well, it takes quite some training to notice that you are not so much listening to him as interpreting him. Goes both ways. I think it is wonderful to a) notice what my partner is thinking as being her thinking and b) also notice my interpretations of her words as something completely different and mostly about me. Ah well.
So maybe you could start with my Map of Relationships, then work on the essays that come out of the Biological Dream. Build them skills!
I hear that huge level of frustration. I've had it. The mistake I used to make is that I would blame my partner for my frustration. Really dumb thinking I used to do. If I am frustrated, it is my doing. Better check out my paper on Healing Frustrations and on Boundaries.
Good luck.
First, let me say THANK YOU! for a wonderfully helpful web site.
Then, let me say I AM SO FRUSTRATED… I am the clinger. So I tried pulling back… giving him more space, although on the avoidant scale I think he's about 2000% avoider and I'm about 50% clinger. I really am not that clingy at all.
The thing is now… by avoiding him the quality of our dialogue has gone completely down-hill. What's worse is that by not talking he has imaginatively done a lot of my thinking in the relationship for me, without ASKING what I actually think. He tells me the decisions he's made for both of us… can we say total POWER STRUGGLE?
So what's my contribution? I think I can be bossy and controlling when I want attention, so I've tried to stop demanding attention. I've tried to tell him how frustrated I am. I don't think he hears me at all.
But its possible I also don't hear him because I know he is trying to say complimentary things to me sometimes when we talk, and those compliments get on my nerves. I feel like he's trying to make me feel better about the relationship by complimenting me– unfortunately what I am hearing when he compliments me, is that he's paying attention to something I did six weeks ago, and that it took him six weeks to pay attention!
I think he hears whatever his mother used to do to him that drove him nuts. (His mom was totally demanding and very clingy). His parents also seem to have been WAY more critical of him than mine were (we're both only children, but he's a perfectionist, and I'm absolutely not).
But I have the testicle it seems, I'd like to fix it, yet I am quite afraid that all his build up resentments against his over-meddling mother are just going to spill out on me and I have to take it.
I don't want to take it, it almost seems like abuse?